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offer letter questions Feb 05 2006 05:54PM
6c 61 64 79 33 6a 61 6e 65 gmail com (2 replies)
Re: offer letter questions Feb 19 2006 04:39PM
diegoeskryptic highstream net (1 replies)
Re: offer letter questions Feb 25 2006 07:50PM
6c 61 64 79 33 6a 61 6e 65 gmail com
RE: offer letter questions Feb 06 2006 05:45PM
Joe_Wulf (Joe_Wulf yahoo com)
Being on the same page is vital. If you've had DISCUSSIONS and the offer letter
has substantial differences, then you are remiss if you simply sign and 'expect'
things to get any better. However, the RISK you take, is that if you bring the
issues up for discussion and renegotiation, then they MAY brand you as a
troublemaker and drop the offer. In my opinion, should they drop you because
you DID discuss things further, then you are better off not having wasted your
time on this 'opportunity' that wasn't on the up-and-up.

I'd recommend you bring your itemized list of concerns to their attention. Call
them up and express a desire to meet with them again, in person, face to face.
Be brief and positive in arranging the meeting, so that you can address your
concerns in person, and not be blown off over the phone. Discuss EACH point you
feel has not been properly addressed in the offer letter to your satisfaction.
Bring your notes of the previous discussions, and remind them of WHO said WHAT.
Ask questions to understand THEIR point of view. Do not argue, do not fight.
Keep your tone of voice positive, remain upbeat.

I'd suspect the person(s) you'd talked with and discussed all these things with
MIGHT not be the same ones who'd issued the offer letter, resulting in the
disparity you've identified. Presume these are legitimate issues to bring up
for discussion, let them see your professionalism in this early example of where
some things went wrong. Give them another opportunity to see how you act, react
and interact........ give them the warm fuzzy you were not only the right choice
for the position they offered you, but in addressing this situation as you are
going to is further PROOF they are right.

Good luck, and I'm hopeful you'll write back with the outcome (good or bad).
Share your lessons learned, please.

-Joe Wulf, CISSP, USN (RET)
ProSync Technology Group, LLC
Senior IA Engineer

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Subject: offer letter questions

while i have worked on a contract basis before, i recently received my first
offer letter/contract from a sub-contractor and have some concerns i am hoping
some of you more experienced in this area maybe be able to shed some light on. i
have read the syngress book infosec career hacking which has, what i thought to
be, some excellent directives yet, it falls short for me in this area. as well,
i have spoken with a family member who has many years in a consulting role
however, not in the infosec industry.

concerns include:
- the discussions were of a 1099 arrangement whereas, the offer letter is for
- the liability clause has my liability at a higher day rate than i would be
earning. is this normal?
- this opportunity involves 80-100% travel yet, there is no mention of the
sub-contractor's responsibility for handling these matters.
- the position is "in the middle of nowhere" and as of yet, there is no mention
of a rental car.
- this sub-contractor has stated that i would have to purchase the first plane
ticket which, sounds fishy, no?
- there will be shared living quarters and i have not shared a living space with
others in over five years. this was not mentioned at all throughout the
discussions until just recently in a passing conversation.while i do think it
could be fun to room with people (especially security folk) again, this is a
real unknown. it could have a negative impact my performance but, may just as
well have a positive impact upon it.

on the contracts i've been on before, the client had arranged and payed for
airfare, hotel and car rental.

the pros of the opportunity include:
- full time security work as, i am trying to get away from the admin role.
- enterprise class experience which, i have very little of and huge attraction
to the opportunity
- short term with the possibility to extend length or offer
- last and least important for me, the money is good yet, the agreed upon rate
did not factor in the above concerns

while i really hunger for the experience (#1 career incentive for me), i am
uncertain how to address these concerns.

any insight into this matter is greatly appreciated.

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